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Listen Up Assholes, I’m Only Going to Say This Once.

There has been some interesting debate in the comments about my performance in the 2011 Mojave Mile, piloting the Corvette ZR1. Mainly, the debate revolves around two factors:

1) I am fat, and if I were not fat, I would have broken 180 mph, the completely arbitrary goal I set for myself that day.

2) The 2012 Nissan GTR shouldn’t be faster than the Corvette in the mile, yet in the video, the announcer at the Mile says that a “girl in a stock GTR” ran 179.9.

Let’s explore these items after the jump.

First, lets get all the facts straight. Going into this event, I had no idea what kind of number the car would run. I picked 180 as a completely arbitrary number, having no idea if the ZR1 were capable of that. Is there evidence that any bone stock ZR1 has ever cracked the 180 mark in the mile? No. Never been done. I probably should have looked that up, before running, but whatever. The organizer of the mile runs a ZR1, and he said that in absolutely perfect, sea-level conditions, his car wouldn’t do any better than 178.5. And he’s a professional NHRA/SCTA drag racer.

Mojave is also at 2800 feet of elevation, which is good for nearly a 50 horsepower loss. So I wasn’t running with 638 horsepower; it was much closer to 590.A horsepower loss like that is good for about 1.5 mph in the standing mile. There was a 15 mph headwind as well, good for another 1.5 mph. So I was, basically, limited to 3 mph slower than the car’s absolute performance potential for this test.

Now, about this whole “fat driver means slow car” issue. It’s true that being lighter is better, whether you’re talking about the car or the driver. Or is it? Check out this video of Autocar’s standing mile race between the Corvette ZR1 and the Porsche 911 GT2. You may notice that a) the video is shot in england, which has an average elevation of 500 feet. and b) the driver of the Corvette is, compared to yours truly, one skinny little limey. Obviously, because he’s skinnier than me, the car simply must go faster in the mile, right? RIGHT? Nope. Skinny little England’s ZR1 hits 175.9 mph, 8 tenths slower than my fat American ass ran one at elevation. Weight comes into play for the kind of stats that manufacturers need to sell their cars: Acceleration from a standstill, handling, and braking. No manufacturer this side of Koenigsegg tries to market their vehicles by saying how fast they will accelerate over 150 mph. At those speeds, it’s all about horsepower and aerodynamics, not weight. I neglected to mention the driver’s weight for the fastest recorded standing mile run in a stock ZR1, 178.5 as run by the pro mentioned above. The guy is 300 lbs, or about 45 lbs heavier than I am. If driver weight matters so much, how come the heaviest racer on the runway can run the fastest pass?

Now that we’ve proven the ZR1 won’t do 180 in the mile in stock trim, even with a skinny driver, let’s discuss the GTR. In the film, the announcer says that I am getting beaten by “a girl in a stock GTR” that ran 179.9. In hindsight, lets take a look at the race results for ourselves. If you’d like to see them all, click here, otherwise I’ve screen-shotted the most important part below.

You’ll notice the stock 2012 GTR, piloted by Irmina Martinez of Oceanside, CA, did not actually beat me in the mile. She ran a 175.3 to my Corvette’s 176.7. So the announcer was just fucking with me for video purposes. On the other hand, Dave Scholtz, in the 2010 GTR, seemingly ran 180.5. Anyone who knows anything about GTR’s knows that there’s no way in hell a stock 2010 GTR will beat a stock 2012 GTR in a simple drag race by that much. 5 MPH faster in the mile with otherwise identical cars would require one of the cars to have more than 100 extra horsepower over the other. Google says that Dave Scholtz is an accomplished amateur autocrosser and road racer, but in a GTR you really just mash it to the floor and go. If both cars are truly stock, as they claimed, I think that Irmina’s 175.3 is much more realistic. Bascically I’m calling bullshit that Mr. Scholtz’s car is stock.

Basically what I’m saying here is that I ran that damn ZR1 all day long, every which way possible. And I’m convinced that I ran it as fast as it would go. Would me losing a few pounds make the car go any faster? Maybe a fraction of a mile per hour, but nothing of significance. Standing mile is about horsepower and aerodynamics, not ultra low weight and launch grip. The internet has made gigantic horsepower numbers seem so normal, and no one even realizes what a feat they are. Going from 0 to 176.7 in just a mile is ludicrously quick. In order to get that same car to do 200 in the mile, you’d need over 1,000 horsepower at the wheels. 

So while yes, the idea of this post came about because I was sick of reading hundreds of comments calling me fat, the truth goes much deeper than that. Any asshole can post up some dumb YouTube comment. In fact, for every one thoughtful comment I see there are at least 50 more written by University of Phoenix online rejects, people with 5th grade reading and writing levels, and fucking morons. Do your homework people. You want to use a car not reaching an arbitrarily chosen goal on a runway as a good excuse to call someone fat? At least make sure you know what the fuck you’re talking about.

 


  • Roger

    Matt, Eff those pimple-faced douchebags. Pure jealousy from guys who couldn’t drive their way out of a paper bag. Keep up the great work, buddy.

    FYI: my bone stock Yugo did 189 in the mile.

  • Chris

    Dear Matt, i am one of your subscribers from Europe. As you may know, the concept of what driving is and driving skills in general are totally different here than in the US. In essence we have a different driving philosophy, not to say that it is better or worse. In any case, some people in the US, such as yourself, are a few of the people whose show I can follow. Why, because your thinking and presentation skills differ, and this is because you have a true passion for cars. Only people who think like that can go forward. Now as far as the comments are concerned, you shouldn’t pay attention to the content, but to the quantity. Any publicity is good publicity, and for all those negative comments to exist it means the following; a) all these people watched your video, b) they all resent the fact that it was you driving at over 175 miles an hour and c) their lack of knowledge is evident when they are factoring in weight as one of the causes for the car to not be able to break 180 mph, making your factual commentary all the more credible. Sorry for writing such a long comment, but it just pisses me off when things like this happen. Know one thing though, no matter how pissed off certain comments make you, you should always respond in a polite manner and with a laugh, this will permit you to always be on top of the game. Giving in to these idiotic comments can only harm your image that you have worked for so hard. So I say chill and let these poor bastards comment all they want, they will get bored eventually :-)

  • Mr. Jones

    Isn't forced induction even more affected by elevation? I wouldn't be surprised if it had less than 550 hp up there. Too bad they didn't have dynos!

    • TheSmokingTire

      yes it is, but we don't have a specific formula to tell by how much.

  • Pete

    I saw your FB post about this yesterday. Thanks for Posting some hard facts, unfortunately the trolls will probably never see this. Keep up the great work Farah.

  • blackzeddie

    Man, don't let these hatin' looser trolls get to you.

  • jordyn

    next year borrow a Hennessy car and crack 200mph

  • Harley

    Matt – Many of the meek keyboard commandos that seem to scurry across the web are mostly made up of untrained and over-opinionated wannabes. You have allowed them to get under your skin and presented them with reasons of which are incomprehensible to their minimalist brains. They saw it on the internet so it must be factual. To top it all off they have a buddy who's cousin knows a neighbor that went 200 mph in a boosted Mustang 5.0 so therefore breaking the 200 mph barrier is easy as flooring it and tipping the scales at a horse jockey's weight. Aerodynamic versus horsepower ratios are well above their level of understanding and the exponential increases in drag are just about akin to a conversation on brain surgery.

    - Harley –

  • Karpinski

    Isn't it something like that over 400, 500, or 600 hp weight small amounts of weight (10 to 30 lbs) has virtually no affect on what a car can do? If you were on a motorcycle I can see how being "fat" would play a role in performance but you're not so it looks like people like being assholes!

    • TheSmokingTire

      Yeah. On a motorcycle (or more likely, a go-kart), a few extra pounds will definitely make a difference. In a 3300 lb car, being 50 lbs heavier than the average driver will not produce a noticeable difference on all but the most sensitive testing equipment.

  • http://www.gtspirit.com Turboman

    I would disagree that launch grip isn't that important for the standing mile. When you have more launch grip you will hit, let's say 100mph in a shorter distance than with less launch grip so basically you have more room for achieving the top speed.
    But I agree with the rest of what you have written and I really don't get why people on the internet always insult others when they basically have no arguments.

    • TheSmokingTire

      I would agree that there is some impact, but in standing mile runs specifically, the much higher horsepower cars that can accelerate very fast over 150 mph never do hard launches and still manage to hold all the records. If we're talking bone-stock cars then you're probably right. I know my fastest runs came when I used launch control.

  • sean

    well comparing it to a stock GTR doing 179 in the mile i don't think it was a 2012 model pretty sure it was a earlier one like 2009-ish and even though it has roughly the same horsepower a GTR has AWD and launch control, resulting in more torque

  • george

    Holy shit. I could care less if you weighed 500 fucking pounds…..you're one helluva commentator- who gives a shit how much you weigh.

  • Mile Racer

    This was a great video. FYI, Matt drove the car exceptionally well and extracted more out of this car than most could have. I have been at every Mojave Mile event as well as Texas and Miami Mile events. Matt did a great job.
    What most people don't realize is, beside the elevation, the wind and heat go up in Mojave as the day goes on. Matt keeping his speed as high as he did each pass says a lot about his ability improving as the runs went on. Matt wasn't stuffing ice packs into inter coolers and running special tunes or fuels. He was running the car on back to back runs on pump gas with no cool down.
    I have participated in mile events from coast to coast and have yet to do see a "stock" GT-R break 180. In fact, there are very few stock cars from any manufacturers that can achieve this number. Bugatti Veyron's have been run in mile events at sea level and barely crack 200 in one mile, it probably would not get there at Mojave unless conditions were perfect. My point is, 180 is very fast for any stock car and Matt did an exceptional job at driving and representing the ZR1.
    GOOD JOB MATT!

  • Mazdaguy

    Would you losing weight help some, sure. So would ripping out the passenger seat, the HVAC, radio and everything else that made the Corvette a street car put to an ultimate test. BFD. You still have the biggest balls of any non-racing driver I've seen on this side of the pond. Although I think the Brits' Vicki Butler-Henderson on 5th Gear might be able to give you a race. Just don't try to outrace Sabine Schmitz.on the Nurburgring. So take that for a "Chick" comparison.

    One other thing, the GTR has what many say is the best launch control system ever invented. That's at the very least another second saved.

  • Mazdaguy

    Would you losing weight help some, sure. So would ripping out the passenger seat, the HVAC, radio and everything else that made the Corvette a street car put to an ultimate test. BFD. You still have the biggest balls of any non-racing driver I've seen on this side of the pond. Although I think the Brits' Vicki Butler-Henderson on 5th Gear might be able to give you a race. Just don't try to outrace Sabine Schmitz.on the Nurburgring. So take that for a "Chick" comparison.

  • dman

    Still I would think the enemy you are fighting is punching a hole in the atmosphere as the forces of aerodynamics tend to kick in at these speeds. You are traveling faster than military jet aircraft land at. (180mph roughly) I would not think your body weighs would have anything to do with this, But, rather how much room you have to hit 180mph. In other words a Veyron or a McLarenF1 can easily hit 180 simply because it has the horsepower or the displacement to make it happen. Most of your haters have yet to travel faster than say 90mph in a car of any kind. So the haterz don't have a clue at 175mph you are traveling twice as fast as they have ever been. At 175 you are traveling 256 feet per second, that is stupid, insanely fast.

  • Catman@gpny

    Matt- don't feed the trolls.

  • CriticalBill

    At the end of the day MAtt, you still went fast as hell.Sure you came up short of the goal you set for yourself, but I'm sure you'll get another crack at it.Go back and do whatever it takes to beat that goal.But when you do post that, I'm afraid it will be for nothing if you're reading comments that are posted on youtube or FB. As it was already said , for every 1 fair comment there are 50 idiots ready to jump on you. Fat or skinny

  • Hunter V.

    Wait you not only cared so much as to complain about the fat comments everywhere but now you have made an article about it? Wow man you need to get over that shit fast or its going to start eating you alive as you continue to get more and more exposed to the public eye. You are coming off as sort of a bitch. Just saying.

    This article is entertaining, though.

    • TheSmokingTire

      the article is entertaining. That's the point.

  • Earl

    I enjoyed the article, as a matter of fact I enjjoy the web site..While I am being complimentary I did notice that you don't seem to sweat much for a fat guy.

  • nednash

    Matt,
    I like you. I've liked you since seeing you on your SPEED show. I like your website, which I now frequent thanks to watching the SPEED show. I especially like this post, calling it like it is with most people who post to these things. I registered especially to say this. Keep up the good work, and keep calling it like you see it.
    Thanks for being honest.
    Ned nash

  • nednash

    I am grateful that someone has it in them to stand up to the haters who populate the comment section of every board. I enjoy this site, I enjoy Matt's and Zack's comments, I would enjoy seeing more installments of The Car Show. But, then, I don't seem to be a demographic many care about, else a lot would be different. Sigh.

  • Josh Forster

    Hey Matt,

    I was out there with you at the last 2 Mojave Mile events in my 99 turbo Camaro… (A2 Class, 188.5mph)

    I can say that weight isnt a critical factor in standing mile racing. Same with bonneville. Some cars add HUNDREDS of pounds via lead weights to the front and rear of the car to increase traction and keep the car from coming off the ground.

    Until you have built, owned, and raced a car in a standing mile, dont post information that you have never had first hand experience with.

    If matt lost 75 pounds, would it make a difference? NO. In standing mile racing, it takes exponentially greater horsepower to achieve a few more MPH. My car (3600lbs) needs apx. 800rwhp to do 200mph, however it needs apx. 1600rwhp to do 244mph. Consider the hp/weight ratio between those two combinations. just think about it.

  • http://www.vanishingpoint.at Vanishing Point

    i'm also from europe (austria to be preceise), and a car journalist – and as it happens, i had a press-pool zr1 right at the moment.

    so after watching your video, and the idiots trolling the comments, i went to the nearest military air base to " borrow" their landing strip. we measured the mile (there ARE markings on the runway, but they are in kilometers and meters…) and had a go.

    our ZR1 had normal street-tires, the tarmac was pretty cold (+4 °C air temperature) and the elevation was 460 meters above sealevel (1 509 ft). we where two people in the car and had about 80 lbs of camera gear in the back. plus: the fuel tank was filled pretty much to the top.

    the result: we made 5 runs, and everytime had a top-speed of about 174 to 175 on the standing mile. we then took out the camera gear and passenger: 174 to 175 on the next 4 runs. (plus one completely botched attempt where i nearly ruined the gearbox…)

    even though the cold weather may have given a few extra horses it just didnt make any significant difference…
    this car really is like clockwork on the standing mile – as long as you dont miss a gear, it WILL do 174-175mph. no more, no less…

    haters gotta hate, i guess…

  • Bob

    Matt, you are not fat, you are the normal size of most men. I appreciate your reviews because of the realistic size of your body.

  • s3ee

    MOTOR TREND ran the ZO6 into 173.X in just 29.3 sec !!

    • TheSmokingTire

      The new Z06's are very quick.